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Today on Instagram, with the caption “Should we make this?”, Trek Bicycles teased a possible new full-suspension mountain bike. They’re calling it the PipeDream. The IG post continues by saying that the bike was designed by Trek’s Industrial Designer, Kyle Neuser, and “crafted by Trek’s prototype lab.”

Trek Prototype PipeDream Steel Full Sus Kyle
(Photo / Trek Bikes)

According to the post, the geo is borrowed from the new Top Fuel, as well as the rear end and rocker link.

Trek Prototype PipeDream Steel Full Sus rear end

The Instagram post mentions that it was Kyle’s vision to “combine the natural damping of steel with the proven geo and pedaling performance of the new Top Fuel”.

Steel is Still Real

Trek Prototype PipeDream Steel Full Sus bolt-on shock mount

The PipeDram is running bolt-on aluminum shock mounts that allow for future suspension tuning. It’s also nice to see some exposed cable routing on the classic skinny steel tubes.

The paint scheme on the PipeDream is meant to reflect the colorways of the steel Trek bikes of the 80s and 90s – their attempt to remind everyone that steel can still meet the demands that today’s trails dish out.

Trek Prototype PipeDream Steel Full Sus external routing

This “prototype” checks a lot of boxes. It is both modern and retro, and very good-looking. This is not the first nor the last bike company to make a kick-ass steel full-suspension MTB, but it’s rare to see something along these lines from one of the manufacturing giants.

Yay, or Nay?

For more on this bike, or to give a Trek a thumbs-up or thumbs-down on the PipeDream. Let them know if they should move forward with production, check out their Instagram account.

TrekBikes.com

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Manitou FS II Future MTB Project Reimagines Mountain Bike Classic with Gamux & Pinion https://bikerumor.com/manitou-fs-ii-future-mtb-project-reimagines-mountain-bike-classic-with-gamux-pinion/ https://bikerumor.com/manitou-fs-ii-future-mtb-project-reimagines-mountain-bike-classic-with-gamux-pinion/#comments Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:10:29 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=371702 Is Manitou trying to reinvent the mountain bike again? This wild prototype Manitou FS II trail bike project reimagines a mountain biking legend with a…

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Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux

Is Manitou trying to reinvent the mountain bike again, more than 30 years later with this FS II Future MTB project?

Honestly no. Sure, Manitou was one of the pioneers of full-suspension mountain bikes back in the early 90s. But they are fully aware that suspension design has advanced far beyond simply strapping a second suspension fork to the back of any frame to get rear-wheel travel. Yet that doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be fun to see what a more modern adaptation of their first full-suspension mountain bike would look like updated with some much more modern tech…

Manitou FS II project: Updating a Mountain Bike Legend

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux, for Gee Milner's Dream Build
(Photos / Hayes Bicycle)

So, Manitou’s Hayes Bicycle Group parent company decided to reach out to Swiss gravity bike builders Gamux to see what kind of modern full-suspension trail bike they could create, built around a suspension fork managing rear wheel travel like in the early days of mountain bike evolution.

Manitou figured they could work with a short-travel XC kids’ bike fork in the back, a mid-travel trail bike fork up front, a Pinon gearbox transmission at the bottom bracket, and then let Gamux create one of their wild machined aluminum frames to make it all work, with bonded in carbon structures to modulate frame stiffness as needed!

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept inspiration from this 1993 Manitou FS II

The inspiration for all this silliness – and a brief history lesson for those too young to remember – was this early Manitou FS bike from the 1990s. Probably the first suspension mountain bike fork was created by Doug Bradbury under the Manitou name in 1990. Just a year later, Bradbury had strapped a second fork onto the back to create a softail mountain bike. All controlled by elastomers.

Back when 26″ and rim V-brakes were the only thing going, and 3x drivetrains were still the rage, Manitou was pretty advanced with their original FS offering already in 1993. It was a simpler time.

So, Manitou and Gamux set to work on making a new version of the FS.

And then once they had it, to take the new Manitou FS II project bike to the next level, they sought out Gee Milner for a Dream Build…

Manitou FS II future trail bike prototype Dream Build

“In an effort to celebrate not only the origins of the brand but also an innovation that changed the face of an entire sport, Manitou has partnered with Gamux, Pinion, Gates, Schwalbe, Hayes, ProTaper and Reynolds to create a forward thinking, modern twist on the original Manitou FS bike.

The thought was that while the nostalgic motives for recreating such a bike certainly hold some value, examining the past can also be a conduit to building a better future. Employing lessons learned from such a long and storied history with the same passion and desire to innovate ensures that the future of MTB is every bit as exciting as the wild ride that has brought us to present day.

The Manitou FS II project set out to incorporate the most advanced components and solutions of tomorrow on a platform that has roots in the iconic design that kicked off the revolution of the full suspension mountain bike.”

– Hayes Performance Systems 

Why build it in the first place?

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux, complete build detail

Now Manitou has assured us that their FS II project bike isn’t really meant to shake up full-suspension mountain bike design again. Modern suspension is much more nuanced than a single pivot with a semi-stock fork dropped in.

And in reality, with the bigger 29″ wheels we ride today, combined with the lower sloping toptubes to get enough standover height, I get the feeling that this isn’t exactly the smoothest way to actuate a couple of sliding fork stanchions without something else to provide stability & stiffness, side-to-side balance, or even to control kinematics in a more manageable way.

A fork at both ends

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux around a JUnit fork

But I’m sure it was a fun project. And Manitou says the Gamux crew has actually ridden the FS II a bit, and says it rides well enough. So, at least it’s a bit more than a show bike.

The heart of the whole project is this Manitou Machete JUnit Pro fork. It apparently started out just like the same fork that’s on my kid’s 24″ hardtail. Except, Manitou & Gamux chopped the steerer tube off and CNC-machined a completely new set of lowers and a new yoke to interface with the frame. They also created an all-new slimmer arch shape, more reminiscent of that original FS from 1993.

And they gave it a custom tune and reduced the travel down to just 80mm to provide the completed bike with 125mm of single-pivot rear wheel travel – paired to 130/140mm up front.

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux around a JUnit fork, rear end detail

And then, they gave the concept bike a Pinion gearbox and Gates belt drive to yield a lower center of gravity for “better handling, protected gearing, and significant reductions in unsprung weight.

Geometry-wise, Gamux says they built it to the specs they would want for a shred-capable downcountry trail bike. So it gets a 66° headtube angle, a steep seat angle, relatively long 450mm chainstays to fit 29×2.4″ tires, and a 460mm long frame Reach.

Tech details by Gamux

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux around a JUnit fork, frameset

Just like the rear fork was heavily modified by Gamux, they also machined the entire rest of the FS II prototype frame in their workshop in Switzerland.

While at first glance it looked like there were a few round tubes welded together with some more complex tube shapes, the whole frame is actually CNC-machined from 7075-T651 aluminum in just two parts.

The most dramatic-looking is the 1-piece chainstays swingarm with a hollowed-out truss design that’s not too dissimilar to Gamux’s current production belt-drive Sego gearbox DH race bike… or even their own still-in-development prototype trail bikes.

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux in Switzerland, headtube

The main triangle is mostly made up of hollowed-out box section tubes – in-filled with bonded-in carbon tubes. Gamux explains that they developed these “Bonded Carbon Elements” with their World Cup DH race team in order to modulate frame stiffness and tune the flex of the frame individually for each rider.

The Manitou FS II project frame does get more conventional round tube shapes at the headtube and seattube – where the frame meets the tapered steerer tube of its fork and the seatpost.

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux, frame detail

It looks like the oversized headtube can accommodate an angle adjust headset if they feel the need to tweak the bike’s handling. But there’s really not much room in that stubby seatpost to fit in a dropper post. Although, maybe you could get away with a short wireless dropper for more rideability?

The Manitou team described the construction of the bike as “somewhat cost prohibitive” if anyone thought they had intentions of making it a viable product you might actually be able to buy.

Giving the project bike a somewhat realistic build

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux, complete in Gee Milner's workshop

While you aren’t going to find this Manitou FS II prototype showing up on the floor of your local bike shop anytime soon, there still are a number of more realistic components that make up the complete bike build. It is a Dream Build, so there’s a lot of fancy kit here. But it’s mostly reasonably attainable bits from the Hayes Bicycle family of brands.

Up front, the key spec is the Manitou Mattoc Pro fork. Truly one of the lightest, stiffest, and most versatile trail bike forks, the thousand-dollar 29er Mattoc features 34mm stanchions and can offer travel anywhere from 110-150mm, with easy adjustability in 1cm increments.

Manitou fitted their prototype FS II project bike with a Gates CDX belt-drive pulling a Pinion C1.12 gearbox – fittingly in anodized purple to match the special edition Purple Hayes (Haze) brakes.

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike, with ProTaper components

Besides Purple Hayes Dominion A4 brakes, there’s also a nice shiny full silver ProTaper A25 alloy bar and ATAC stem for more old-school style.

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike, with Purple Hayes hazes brakes

Of course, there are plenty more shiny purple graphics, and a set of carbon Reynolds Blacklable 309 Enduro wheels to finish off the dream build.

Manitou FS II Future MTB concept project bike prototype built by Gamux

“As we reflect on the past, we not only see where we’ve come from but also catch a glimpse of the future of mountain biking. From the Manitou rear-facing arch to the standards Hayes set for brakes, and the near-universal adoption of full suspension, today’s riders—whether in XC, DH, or anything in between—are enjoying a better experience in the saddle, hands down. They ride on the technology of tomorrow, built upon lessons from the past for an incredible present.”

– Hayes Performance Systems 

ManitouMTB.com

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Exclusive: Challenge Issues 100 Limited Edition Fango Tires With Orange Sidewall  https://bikerumor.com/challenge-issues-100-tires-limited-edition-fango-tires-with-orange-sidewall/ https://bikerumor.com/challenge-issues-100-tires-limited-edition-fango-tires-with-orange-sidewall/#comments Tue, 22 Oct 2024 17:57:30 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=371051 Now that cyclocross season is in full swing, Challenge Tire feels it’s time to get nostalgic. The Italian tire manufacturer is resurrecting the Fango tread.…

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Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange header two

Now that cyclocross season is in full swing, Challenge Tire feels it’s time to get nostalgic. The Italian tire manufacturer is resurrecting the Fango tread. This limited edition offering will see only 100 tires created with the Fango tread in never-before-seen orange sidewalls. So, if you’ve been waiting patiently for the Fango to return from the dead (it is Halloween, after all). Scrape that old glue off your wheels, stretch your hands, and prepare for some tubular Fango action.

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange side tread
(Photos: Jordan Villella/BikeRumor.com)

What is the Challenge Fango? 

For those who are newer to cyclocross or don’t follow tire trends as closely as this nerd, let me catch you up. The Challenge Fango is a unique tire that predates the most popular Challenge treads. It launched in 2008 and was supposed to be a direct competitor to the famous Dugast Rhino, which ruled the mud seas then. After its unveiling, the Fango was met with excitement or disdain. 

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange tread

The tread is highly designed, with some touches that still make me scratch my head. But, you gotta remember, this was three years before the Limus, Baby Limus, and others. The Challenge catalog was limited, and the Fango was the mud tire. 

Adam Myerson Fango
(Adam Myerson racing the Challenge Fango at Gloucester in Oct, 2008. Photo: Myerson)

Fond Fango Memories

Nonetheless, many riders, like longtime cyclocross pro and owner of Cycle-Smart Adam Myerson, have fond memories of the Challenge Fango. 

“When the Fango first came out, it was designed as a mud tire, before the Limus existed, and all we had were Grifos. But it turned out to be an amazing grass tire when you needed a little extra pedaling and braking traction going straight and more aggressive side knobs for leaning over in soft, but not necessarily muddy, turns. It was the perfect tire for New England-style tracks with a typical mix of fields and woods.”

Adam Myerson

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange logo

Challenge Fango Tread 

The Fango tread is unique, and there are certain instances in which the tire excels. What is Its most defining feature? That has to be Fango “scoop” in the center tread — 100%. 

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange down

In the center of the Fango tread, there is a long diamond shape with a scoop. The scoop has a rounded edge, unlike the flat, sharp edges we see on the Baby Limus and others. This scoop sheds mud but doesn’t dig into it for grip…so it’s an anomaly. 

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange detail

Where Does the Fango Excel? 

Where the Fango pulls its weight is the sharp mid-cornering knobs. The outer edges are like the Grifo center tread but more of a “T” shape and vertical. A diamond staggered between the scoop for good and some mud-shedding capability. 

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange far shot full bike

As far as course application for the Fango, I echo the Myerson quote above. It’s a heavy grass tire. But like all tires, every tread isn’t for everyone. I like the Baby Limus for many courses, while others might pick the Grifo or even a Dune. 

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange front side spikes

That said, tire choice can come down to personal preference and what gives you the most confidence on the course. A perfect course for the Fango would be a grass-heavy crit-style track with lots of high-speed corners.

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange top side tread

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Details 

  • Conditions: Wet/Grass
  • Tire Type: Tubular Only
  • Casing: Challenge Pro Edition 300 TPI
  • Color: Limited Edition Orange 
  • Weight: 445g
  • Price: $100
  • Availability: Now 
Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange full bike with tires

Ride Impressions: Challenge Fango Limited Edition 33mm 

When the Fango came across my desk, Challenge hit me with a wave of nostalgia. I remember when this tire came out and I was very excited about it. I was running clinchers with latex tubes and more baby powder in the tire than is customary…it was 2008, and I needed all the help I could find. The Fango was my ticket to finally becoming a mudder…

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange weight

Remember When…

I haven’t looked at the Fango Tread in a while, and seeing it now, I understand why the tire has some dedicated followers. It’s a sharp tire with many points and edges (excluding the center scoop). The sharp edges are lone and have no connecting knobs or bridging to others (like the Limus), so they flex independently and offer some suppleness and conforming in the tread. 

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange bike back

The Challenge Pro Edition casing has a limited edition orange sidewall. Challenge tires usually arrive in Red (Team Edition) Tan (Poly casing) or older Tan/White sidewalls that are years past Team Edition “S” (soft) tires. The orange (or Pumpkin Spice, as I’ve been calling it) colored side wall sticks out and looks fantastic amongst the turning leaves. It also stands out on the bike, and it is guaranteed to get you some “What tires are you running?” conversation starters at the course pre-ride.

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange folded

My initial thought about the tread is tire wear and how quickly those sharp knobs will dull on the pavement, but like we said – this is a grass/mud tire. It shouldn’t be hitting the tarmac for long sections and only for racing.

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange detail side

The second chevron (after the scooped one) is where the digging happens and where the grip and braking traction come from. It’s also a hollow knob and looks like a circumflex (caret) symbol with flexible lines that will move while under pedaling or braking force.

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange front logo

On the Cyclocross Course

I mounted the Fango Limited Edition to a set of Bontrager RSL alloy wheels (which they aren’t making anymore?). They glued up nicely, and I didn’t do much tire truing after the fact. 

On the course (a grass-heavy chosen track), the Fangos were great. I wasn’t hitting every corner at race speed, but I could see that the tire had a place, and that place was wet (and early morning dew) grass. When pushing the speed, the Fango slides slightly and hooks up in very damp corners. In dry grass and damp dirt corners, the Fango grips and has enough purchase on the ground that you can sprint out of the turns with no slipping repercussions.  

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange header

On wide open, soggy, thick grass, there is no slippage or burning out; it’s all grip. The Fango is slightly squirmy while cornering on the pavement, but nothing over what most mud tires feel like. 

I didn’t have a chance to ride them in full-on natural mud (we’ve only had these for a hot second), but there is a quick point where they grip and then become slicks. Depending on the mud style (slick over hard, peanut butter, or mud soup), the Fango would perform the best in slick over hard. 

Challenge Fango Limited Edition Orange full bike

Would you Race the Fango? 

Yes, but. For cyclocross, part of the fun (and annoyance) is the equipment and piles of wheels and tires. Mounting and allocating a wheelset only for the Fango tread would be tough. If I had endless wheels, rotors, and cassettes all the same, ready to rock like a professional Belgian cycling outfit – yes, 100%. I would be happy to have them in my tire quiver. But that’s not the case. I know my treads and what I like, and the Grifo and Baby Limus play better with my mountain bike style of bike driving and steering. 

That said, many riders feel the Fango is THE tread for them. That’s why there are so many tire options and combos. 

To those riders (and I know many), I say, “Get them while you can!” as this is a limited edition run and might be the last time you see the Fango. 

Challengetires.com

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Gravel Suspension Spy Shots: Are DT Swiss & Canyon Collaborating on All-New Gravel Fork? https://bikerumor.com/gravel-suspension-spy-shots-are-dt-swiss-canyon-collaborating-on-all-new-gravel-fork/ https://bikerumor.com/gravel-suspension-spy-shots-are-dt-swiss-canyon-collaborating-on-all-new-gravel-fork/#comments Mon, 09 Sep 2024 15:40:36 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=367896 Over the weekend in Daun, Germany an all-new prototype Canyon x DT Swiss short-travel gravel suspension fork was spotted racing on some muddy tracks and…

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Over the weekend in Daun, Germany an all-new prototype Canyon x DT Swiss short-travel gravel suspension fork was spotted racing on some muddy tracks and rocks. And lucky for us, a photographer friend of Bikerumor was there shooting the race, and sent us over some excellent Spy Shots.

So what do we know?

Canyon x DT Swiss race-ready gravel suspension fork proto

prototype Canyon x DT Swiss race-ready 40mm gravel suspension fork, Spy Shot photo by Moritz Sauer, Peter Schermann racing German Gravel National Championships
Thanks to Moritz Sauer for sharing the excellent Spy Shot photos with us! (All photos/Moritz Sauer)

At German gravel nats in Daun – which happens to be just 70km from Canyon HQ in Koblenz – Peter Schermann of the Embrace The World gravel team sponsored by Canyon, raced a somewhat camouflaged DT Swiss gravel suspension fork. He still races the Canyon team dazzle camo paint job of sponsored athletes before the current Grail officially launched last summer. But now he has a new suspension fork with a new type of more-handwritten Canyon camo patterning.

prototype Canyon x DT Swiss race-ready 40mm gravel suspension fork, Spy Shot photo by Moritz Sauer, pre-race up close

Of note, there’s a distinct label on the underside of the prototype fork’s crown calling it a Canyon product (designed or engineered?) by DT Swiss. That’s key as it will likely be an exclusive to a Canyon gravel bike, at least at first. But it looks very much like a DT Swiss suspension product, in line with their previous mountain bike fork designs.

prototype Canyon x DT Swiss race-ready 40mm gravel suspension fork, Spy Shot photo by Moritz Sauer, racing on Canyon Grail

Now let’s just start off with a quick statement that, we don’t have official details at all yet. And most likely this isn’t hitting the market too soon. It’s the first and only instance we’ve heard about of this new fork, and it’s on a solid racer, but not one really fighting at the front for the podium. This looks a lot like Canyon & DT Swiss collecting performance and durability data in a real-world racing situation to us.

Tech details

prototype Canyon x DT Swiss race-ready 40mm gravel suspension fork, Spy Shot photo by Moritz Sauer, post-race side

Of course, most notable is the reverse arch design… just like we see on Fox’s latest lightweight XC & gravel forks since the Manitou patent has opened up. What we can surmise based on zooming and measuring how the bike sat at the start of the race with Schermann leaning on the bar… I’d guess that this prototype Canyon x DT Swiss gravel suspension fork offers 40mm of travel, with 30mm stanchions.

prototype Canyon x DT Swiss race-ready 40mm gravel suspension fork, Spy Shot photo by Moritz Sauer, racing

We also see a remote lockout, with controls either wireless or mechanical routed internally to a lever that Schermann has mounted on the left-hand drop of his handlebar. And front brake line routing that comes out of the back of the fork crown. Plus, there are bolts at the base of either side of the arch, maybe for a fender mount, perhaps?

prototype Canyon x DT Swiss race-ready 40mm gravel suspension fork, Spy Shot photo by Moritz Sauer, reverse arch detail

The prototype DT gravel fork features the same style of integrated covers on both sides of the fork crown like we first saw on their original 535 One all-mountain fork. And then, there’s a similar cutout in the stepped lower left leg to provide access to a rebound damping adjuster like their 232 One XC fork.

Canyon x DT Swiss gravel fork timeline?

prototype Canyon x DT Swiss race-ready 40mm gravel suspension fork, Spy Shot photo by Moritz Sauer, rear angle

We reached out to DT Swiss for a comment and they did then actually admit that it is a new gravel fork they are working on. And they even confirm what the label on the fork crown says – it is “a co-development” between Canyon & DT. But beyond that most basic level, it was more of a ‘no comment’ type response, acknowledging ongoing product development and real-world testing in the suspension realm. No official comment yet from Canyon.

DTSwiss.com & Canyon.com

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Merit Jumbo, a Big-Wheel 750d Carbon Gravel Bike You Didn’t Know You Needed: First Rides https://bikerumor.com/merit-jumbo-750d-carbon-gravel-bike-first-rides/ https://bikerumor.com/merit-jumbo-750d-carbon-gravel-bike-first-rides/#comments Mon, 19 Aug 2024 08:00:00 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=366608 This new carbon Merit Jumbo 750d gravel bike is the first to adopt the next bigger wheelsize standard. But do you need it? We test…

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Merit Jumbo 750d big-wheeled carbon gravel bike, riding gravel cobbles

This carbon Merit Jumbo is the first production gravel bike to embrace 750d wheels, and we got an exclusive chance to be the first to test-ride it. Yes, this is a new wheel size. Yes, the tire and wheel options are still quite limited. But especially for taller riders, 750d could make some sense. So we wanted to give it a closer look…

Merit Jumbo 750d big-wheeled carbon gravel bike

Merit Jumbo 750d big-wheeled carbon gravel bike, and it's just a notmal-looking bike
(Photos/Cory Benson)

The driving factor of an all-new wheel size is tire and rim availability. WTB set this ball in motion when they rolled out their prototype 750d x 40mm Nano last summer before the MADE show, with alloy i25 750d wheels to match. Then at MADE, we got a closer look at the custom titanium Moots CRDD gravel bike that showcased the new wheel size. But 750d hasn’t quite taken the world by storm just yet, and that CRDD still hasn’t made it into the official production line-up in Steamboat.

Merit Jumbo 750d big-wheeled carbon gravel bike, WTB Byway 34x750 semi-slick gravel tire

Still, WTB has added a fast-rolling Byway 750d semi-slick now, too.

Merit Jumbo 750d big-wheeled carbon gravel bike, riding roots

Bigger wheels mean better rolling over rough terrain, the ability to run lower tire pressure, and thus improved grip. We all know how 29″ wheels were a game-changer that made 26″ obsolete. (And WTB was the first to make a 29er production tire, a Nano too!) And for a gravel bike that also just means smoother riding over those same washboard gravel roads. Plus, for longer-distance riding, those larger diameter (and thus heavier) wheels should help maintain momentum, too.

But the other real big benefit here is a better fit for bigger riders. And not only because it looks more proportional.

And Merit has you covered now!

Geometry, not so different than we’re used to

Merit Jumbo 750d big-wheeled carbon gravel bike, normal bike geometry

The Merit Jumbo 750d may have much bigger wheels than we are used to. But the geometry here isn’t all that different. Merit did in fact design this big-wheeled bike for taller gravel cyclists, but it’s really not all that big. Design, and prototyped in titanium (which may also be offered down the road), now the carbon bike is ready. The L will fit a lot of medium to taller riders, the XL & XXL though are pretty exclusively for taller riders who might have trouble fitting on a conventional bike.

The smaller of the 3 sizes on offer – the Large that I tested – has a shorter frame Reach and lower Stack than the M Grail that I recently tested, but slightly longer/higher than the M Ruut or M Yasei. The Large Jumbo’s fit on paper is a bit between a M & L in my mind.

It gets quite short 435mm chainstays to manage those extra-large wheels. And relatively steep 70° head angle and 72° seattube, again to help give this extra-wagon-wheeled bike a snappy feel. The larger 750d wheels and extra rubber are invariably going to be heavier than 700c, so the quicker handling is there to prevent a sluggish feel.

Jumbo 750d – Tech details

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, frame detail

Merit developed this all-new carbon Jumbo 750d frame from scratch with the same Carbon frame manufacturer that has been making their conventional 700c carbon gravel framesets since around 2015. But it’s also not so much bigger than an adventure-ready 700c gravel bike, so you could still run 700x50mm gravel/XC tires for a more conventional setup.

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, headtube logo with internal cable routing
  • 1100g frame (claimed, size L)
  • full carbon 1.5″ tapered steerer fork
  • 1.5″ IS headset with full internal cable routing
  • universal derailleur hanger (UDH) with T-type direct mount compatibility
  • T47 bottom bracket
  • 27.2mm seatpost, with a 31.8 conventional seatpost clamp
  • flat mount FM160 disc brakes, 180mm rotor possible in the front only
  • Road Boost thru-axle spacing – 12x110mm front & 12x148mm rear
  • 750d x 45mm max tire clearance, or 29×2″ / 700c x 50mm (+5mm clearance in the fork)
  • 1x only, with a 46T max chainring (47.5mm chainline)
  • 3-bolt downtube & 2-bolt seattube bottle cage mounts, plus toptube bag mounts

Merit Turbo 750d Carbon Gravel Wheels

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, Merit Turbo 750 25mm internal x 35mm deep carbon wheels

A big part of making this 750d project make sense was lighter wheels. As soon as WTB was ready to announce their 750d Nano gravel tire to the world last summer, of course, they needed a rim to mount it to. Just making a slightly larger diameter i25 aluminum rim was easy enough. But the tires are already going to be about 10% heavier than 700c, and the wheels were going to be even heavier due to the need for more spokes and wider hubs.

So from day 1, Merit set out to make lighter carbon 750d rims, as well. Opening up their own new mold, Merit opted for a light 35mm deep carbon rim, with a 25mm internal hookless bead. That helped them shed a few hundred grams off the complete wheelset. The wide carbon rim provides good support to the WTB tires, originally designed over 7 years ago for narrower rims.

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, Road Boost hubs

Merit says a big benefit to the larger diameter wheels is actually the wider Boost hubs and longer spokes, which do a good job at absorbing gravel road buzz while maintaining good lateral stiffness for predictable handling. Merit built the carbon wheels I tested with CX-Ray spokes (some of the best in the industry). But they also tested a new wheel build with carbon spokes that will be substantially lighter, while keeping the needed strength & stiffness.

  • 25mm internal
  • hookless tubeless bead – 660mm bead seat diameter
  • 31mm external x 35mm deep with a classic blunt nose aero profile
  • 495g per rim (claimed)
  • complete wheelsets built up with alloy Bitex Road Boost hubs with 12mm thru-axles
  • 28 straight-pull Sapim CX-Ray bladed spokes per wheel, expected to be lighter with carbon spokes
  • complete wheelset weights of around 1650g now as I tested

750d vs. 700c sizing comparison

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, looks like a normal bike with good proportions

The Jumbo doesn’t actually look all that jumbo in reality. I might say proportion-wise that this Large with 750d wheels looks pretty similar to a normal Medium gravel bike with 700c wheels. So how does this big wheel size compare to the rollout or circumference of other wheels in our workshop?

  • 750d x 40mm on a 25mm internal rim measures 43mm wide and is 756 in diameter, for a calculated circumference of 2375mm.
  • A 700c x 40mm tire is measured at 2190mm around at 697mm in diameter,
  • a 29er (also 700c) x 2.4″ XC tire measures 2305mm in circumference for a 734mm height overall
  • a 29 x 2.6″ enduro tire measures 2320mm around to come in at 738mm in diameter.
2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, NDS BAAW

So yes, 750d is quite a bit bigger than classic 700c – and will make you 8% faster with the same gearing and tire size. But compared to a proper 29er mountain bike tire, you’re looking at a wheel that’s only about 1cm bigger in radius, or an axle that’s 1cm higher off the ground. It’s a big enough difference I couldn’t fit the 750d wheel in the gravel bike I have fitted with a 2.4″ mountain bike tire.

Putting the 29×2″ mountain bike tire that Merit says will fit in the Jumbo would only have about a 3% change on your top speed vs. the 40mm tire. In fact, it would be only 1.5% smaller than the 34mm WTB Byways that I test-rode.

Riding Impressions: A First Ride Review

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, fast on dirt roads

OK, but how does it ride?

Last week, I took one of the first two pre-production Merit Jumbo 750d to familiar gravel roads and singletrack mountain bike trails on the outskirts of Prague to see how it handled. Without looking at geometry tables, I just set my saddle height and rode away. And my first impression, was wow, this bike is big. Then, I realized the saddle was slammed all the way back, and a bit too low. So, quickly putting the saddle in the right spot, immediately it felt like I was on the right-sized bike all of a sudden.

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, smooth but slow-handling in tight singletrack

The bike is undeniably big, but it’s not really the geometry. The geo and fit of the bike were pretty close to what I might want in a modern gravel bike with a short stem and a relatively narrow bar. (I am 185cm tall, and sometimes ride a large gravel bike, but often size down to a medium.) I was comfortable on the Jumbo 750d, but at the start of the ride when I moved from doubletrack forest roads to singletrack, I could instantly feel that it was more work to maneuver those big wheels through twisty spots, and quick ups & downs

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, smooth over field tracks

The Jumbo made smooth work of an otherwise bumpy field crossing. The big wheels rolled over roots in the trail like they weren’t there. They smoothed chunky rocks, too. Even with these relatively low-volume, 36mm wide (marked 34×750) WTB Byway semi-slicks. And yet, it was still manageable on tight sections.

But this is a bike that begs for fast open stretches…

Shining on open dirt & gravel roads

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, fast on gravel roads

Yeah, this is a bike meant to rack up kilometers. On longer, straighter sections I could spin the big wheels up to speed, and they would effortlessly stay there. Maybe described as slightly sluggish on technical singletrack, on the gravel roads this bike was actually designed for, it was downright fast and stable. All-day comfort comes to mind.

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, Redshift stem

My only real downside is that I would rather swap on an 80mm stem (vs. the 100mm Redshift) and a narrower handlebar (vs. Merit’s own 46cm wide carbon Rodla loop bar that’s 10cm wider in the drops.) But Merit expects they’ll sell most of these as framesets anyway.

These big wheels are always going to be a bit slower to turn, so a bit quicker handling cockpit setup would do wonders to balance that out. I was pleasantly surprised by how much grip I got out of the slick & narrow Byways. But unless you are riding more asphalt than gravel, the 40×750 Nano is the best tire choice for the Jumbo. Now, we just need more people to buy into the 750d concept, so more lightweight tire options will come to market!

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, 9.1kg actual weight

At 9.1kg complete with 1650g wheels, it’s not much heavier than conventional gravel bikes, and none of the components here are ultra-fancy, weight weenie tech. So there is weight to be saved if you want. In any case, I had an easy time keeping up with a friend on an 8.5kg 700c gravel race bike with 1550g aero wheels that sells for about 10% more than the Jumbo.

Merit Jumbo 750d – Pricing, options & availability

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, riding gravel

So, it looks like the Czech gravel specialists at Merit Bikes are the first to bring a 750d production gravel bike to market. And really, it just looks like a normal, well-proportioned bike.

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, frameset

The new Merit Jumbo 759d carbon gravel bike is available to pre-order now here in all three sizes (L-XXL). Framesets retail for ~1600€ (40,000czk). But in reality, only the Large mold is already 100% finished and tested. So, pre-orders for those first L framesets will be the first available, with deliveries to start this October. Merit is finalizing the XL & XXL frame molds now, and those sizes are expected to ship to customers in January 2025.

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, complete bike

Complete bike pre-orders are also possible now. The complete Merit Jumbo 750d Rival GX Mullet AXS bike build like I tested with carbon 750d wheels sells for ~4800€ (120,000czk). Merit will offer more complete bike builds, once the frames are available in stock. Merit regularly ships its frames, wheels, and complete bikes across the EU. And sometimes works with buyers further afield as well.

Merit has toyed with the design of a fourth Medium size that they may make available in the future if there is real consumer demand. They also talked about opening sales of their full carbon forks down the road – if custom steel, aluminum, or titanium frame builders want to offer a 750d option to their line-up. Merit even designed the Project 750d carbon fork to add 3-pack anything cage mounts in the future, if the 750d bikepacking scene takes off in a big way.

2024 Merit Jumbo 750d new bigger wheel carbon gravel bike, riding outside of Prague

Are you ready for bigger wheels again? Let us know in the comments below!

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Patent Patrol: Fox Wireless Dropper’s Infinite & Stepped Travel to get Voice & Auto GPS Drop https://bikerumor.com/patent-patrol-fox-wireless-droppers-infinite-stepped-travel-to-get-voice-auto-gps-drop/ https://bikerumor.com/patent-patrol-fox-wireless-droppers-infinite-stepped-travel-to-get-voice-auto-gps-drop/#comments Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:34:07 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=366468 Recent Fox wireless dropper seatpost patents hint at a future of more connected mountain biking, with automatic saddle drops on the horizon…

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Patent Patrol: Fox Wireless Dropper Seatpost will get smart electronic connectivity and automated control

A recent Fox wireless dropper post patent application takes smart mountain bike technology to a new level of integration. Envisioning a world where almost everything on your bike is electronically controlled, Fox is working on a wireless dropper post that connects to their next-gen Live Valve suspension, syncs to your electronic-shift drivetrain, pairs to all the existing sensors on your bike & body, and even adds a few more new ones, too. The end goal seems to be multi-system automation – whether linked to GPS position data, to your live power output and heartrate levels, or even reacting to your voice commands…

Plus, this new dropper would add smart user-customizable drop point, in addition to classic infinite-adjust drops!

A smart Fox Wireless Dropper in development for years

FOX Wireless Dropper Seatpost Patent, next-gen dropper will get smart electronic connectivity and automated control, bike
(Illustrations by Cory Benson from FOX patent documentation)

We’ve seen Fox’s wireless dropper seatpost patent applications for more than a decade (the earliest one I remember dated back to 2013). And the core concept and visuals haven’t really changed at all since then – a dropper post that could be mechanically or electronically actuated, and potentially linked to multiple systems on your bike. But in those 10+ years, what has really changed is more and more electronics on mountain bikes, smarter control systems, and more possibilities for integrated and automated controls.

Some of the wildest controls that Fox could come up, now seem much more plausible in our minds – like a voice-activated dropper post or even a dropper that learns from past rides and automatically drops your saddle as you approach a descent.

So what do we know?

Patent Patrol: Fox wireless dropper seatpost will get smart electronic connectivity and automated controlm antennas

This newest Fox wireless dropper patent that they filed earlier this year (and was just published this summer US20240182131A1) interestingly focuses more on automatic shifting than it does on the dropper itself. But Fox’s core wireless dropper tech already received patent protection in February of this year. That simply shows a dropper with an electronic solenoid (365) inside the base to open and close the valves that allow the dropper to go up and down. It shows possible antennas (1402A&B) at the dropper collar & seatpost head to communicate with a remote, and power connectors (1404A&B) that can draw power from internal or external batteries.

What I think this suggests? Fox’s upcoming wireless dropper post is pretty much dialed-in. And now they dive deeper into the automated controls themselves.

Infinite AND stepped drops

FOX Wireless Dropper Seatpost Patent, next-gen dropper will get smart electronic connectivity and automated control, multiple remote levers

What’s unique that we know about the wireless dropper from these patent filings is that Fox is proposing a dropper post that is both infinitely adjustable and able to be dropped to set heights. The interesting thing there, is that the tech to have infinite & stepped drops is not specific to electronic droppers, but could work on a mechanical dropper post too. That’s because they have two separate pairs of valves and release circuits inside to activate either mode (see 530 A&B and 535 A&B in Fig. 10-13, below). So the 2 modes could be controlled separately with two levers, a single 2-stage lever, or with sequential inputs to an electronic lever.

Especially on an electronic dropper, thanks to an internal position sensor the rider could pre-program their ideal drop points. Maybe you like your post fully extended for climbing but just 2cm dropped for rolling trails? Even pre-setting upper and lower stops could allow a bike manufacturer or the end user to limit overall travel, or limit full top-out height. For example, the end-user could set their saddle height with an electronic stop. And they could set how far they want to post to go down at maximum drop. That would even allow manufacturers to put the same maximum length dropper in all bikes, regardless of size, and still let the buyer easily customize their ideal position on the bike.

FOX Wireless Dropper Seatpost Patent, next-gen dropper will get smart electronic connectivity and automated control, multi-position valves

Inside this wireless dropper post, the Fox patent also describes how the position sensors pair to electronic actuators to feather the 4 valves that open & close to allow vertical dropper movement. That lets them slow the dropper as it reaches the desired travel set-point for smoother movement and accurate stops at any point in the travel. So no top-out or bottom-out clunks… or overshooting the preset travel limits.

Dropper paired to everything electronic

2019 Fox Live Valve tech overview and explanation of how it works

A big part of the latest Fox Live Valve patent that we reported on last year, was how much more connected it plans to be. And how smarter also means more active. Now, we expect the upcoming Fox wireless dropper post is going to get in on the smart party, too. These latest patent docs described a dropper closely synced with electronic shifting and electronic suspension damping controllers.

And automated controls seem to be their biggest feature. However don’t worry, there’s clear description of on-the-fly adjustability and a temporary pause in automatic controls whenever the rider makes a manual override input. But it looks like Fox envisions dropper post position, suspension compression damping (and somehow spring rate), and gear selection – all automatically controlled.

And automated Fox wireless dropper control from all sensors

FOX Wireless Dropper Seatpost Patent, next-gen dropper will get smart electronic connectivity and automated control, electronic controls diagram

The Fox solution sees a central processing unit and controller collecting data from speed, cadence, power meter, rider heart rate, GPS location, vertical acceleration, and inclination sensors. And crunching that data to make sure your bike is always in the optimal setting. They also describe a voice activation system where you could speak commands to drop or raise your saddle to a predetermined height, of drop/raise it fully. And there’s descriptions of a screen, indicator LEDs, or even audible alerts (beeps?) that could confirm what mode or position your dropper post is in.

FOX Wireless Dropper Seatpost Patent, next-gen dropper will get smart electronic connectivity and automated control, connected system diagram

“…the seat post is actuated by a controller designed for receiving and analyzing input associated with a cyclist’s heart rate as well as the cyclist’s GPS coordinates. For example, if the controller receives input that describes the cyclist’s heart rate as being lower than a given preprogrammed threshold while riding, then the controller may signal to the seat post to move up or down, causing the cyclist’s work rate and heart rate to increase or decrease. In another example, if the controller receives input that describes the cyclist’s GPS coordinates as being such that the cyclist is just about to arrive at terrain having a steep descent, the controller may cause the seat post to lower in preparation for the descent.

…[or] following a pre-mapped route, for example, predetermined seat post height and/or gear selections, or suspension settings can be embedded in the route map and the controller can signal the seat post height changer and gear changer to change to the location appropriate seat post height and/or shift to the location appropriate gear automatically.”

To us this all sounds pretty wild.

FOX Wireless Dropper Seatpost Patent, next-gen dropper will get smart electronic connectivity and automated control, details

But, Fox has been working on much of this tech since at least 2012 – before XTR took mountain bikes electronic with Di2 in 2014, long before SRAM pushed MTB wireless with AXS in 2019, or when Fox made Live Valve electronic suspension controls real the summer earlier.

So maybe it’s not as far-fetched as it sounds?

RideFox.com

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Pademelon Brings Back the Steering Damper with Adjustable & Position-Specific Support https://bikerumor.com/pademelon-brings-back-the-steering-damper-now-adjustable-w-position-specific-support/ https://bikerumor.com/pademelon-brings-back-the-steering-damper-now-adjustable-w-position-specific-support/#comments Tue, 13 Aug 2024 21:05:37 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=366247 Pademelon brings hydraulic steering dampers back to life, but this time with smarter adjustable damping that knows when you're turning!

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Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper

Australian startup Pademelon reanimates the steering damper concept with a new, sophisticated CS.1 hydraulic damper offering more compatibility, plus wide user-adjustability to fine-tune trail stability. This new steering damper takes decades-old Hopey tech and modernizes with position-sensitive damping that only stabilizes steering when you need it, allows navigation of steep turns without resistance, and lets you fine-tune just how much damping tension is preferred for your individual style of riding…

Pademelon CS.1 smart, adjustable hydraulic steering damper

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, up-close
(Photos/Pademelon)

The new Pademelon CS.1 steering damper promises to stabilize your handlebar, so wheel impacts and shifts in balance or rider input don’t know your steering off track.

Imperfections are everywhere on the trail – in line choice, during pedaling, or in the grip of fatigue.

The general steering damper concept is simple – by filtering out irregular or unexpected steering inputs, the device helps keep your bar straight, and your bike headed in the right direction. But at the same time, direct and intentional steering inputs are still possible to change direction when you want it.

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, on-the-fly adjustability

Whether to help you maintain your line riding downhill over rough terrain, or to keep your front wheel from drifting off track on steep climbs.

Interestingly, we’ve seen a recent boost in discussions on steering dampers with the advent of the Syntace/Canyon/Liteville K.I.S. system. KIS isn’t really a damper, but offers a different solution for assisted straightening of your bar. Most recently, Canyon decided that every new Spectral trail bike would include the stabilizer, and looks to put KIS on more bikes in the near future.

Hopey history

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, riding

Those who know about Tim Hopey and his hydraulic steering damper will remember that it had its fervent fans for two and a half decades – from DH racers to tandem riders to triathletes, ultra-endurance racers, and especially those with otherwise limiting physical disabilities. But having not seen any real update in a decade since their DH-specific damper, and really having the same core design for more than 24 years, Hopey officially closed its doors at the start of this year. At that time Hopey directed bicycle steering damper fans to Pademelon, who was still only working on their new damper.

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, single vs. dual crown

Founded by longtime bike industry veteran Jeremiah Boobar – who we’ve known from his suspension development roles at Cannondale & SRAM/RockShox for more than 20 years – Pademelon has been a long-running passion project, now finally made real. Boobar knew he could improve on the Hopey design, and now has finally released his reimagined steering damper.

So, what are the key features of the new damper?

This Pademelon CS.1 essentially updates the long-running Hopey hydraulic damper design with “improved robustness and consistency of the damper, as well as more mounting options to fit modern bikes.

Position-Sensitive Damping

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, position-specific damping

First tech-wise, the CS (Constant Stability) 1 damper features position-sensitive damping. That means that it delivers the same level of stabilizing impact damping in the middle 70° of steering (35° to the left, plus 35° to the right), while having no damping effect from 35° to 90° in either direction.

That ensures that unwanted steering influences are filtered out while you are trying to ride straight ahead, or slightly turning. But when turning the bars a steeper angle to navigate tight turns at slow speeds, there is no damping resistance to fight against. Then, the damping resistance doesn’t reengage until you get back to center, so it’s smooth and easy to come out of those tighter turns and get back on track.

User-Adjustable Damping Support

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, dial adjust damping control

The other update is more precise fine-tuning control over how much resistance the damper imparts on your steering. With a few rotations of the simple knob on top, the rider can adjust from almost no damping to a high level, far beyond what most riders will want.

How does it work?

The Pademelon damper works by replacing your upper headset cup with a fixed lower plate, pressed into your frame. Then, the damper body itself slips into your steerer tube, replacing the starnut. An arm extends from the damper body, out around your stem, and connects to a post extending up from the base plate. (There is a solution for traditional press-in headset cups, for zero stack (ZS) headsets, and even integrated (IS) headsets that just drop the upper bearing directly into your frame.)

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, parts diagram

That connects the damper to the fork steerer from the inside, and to your frame under the headset. As you rotate the bar away from the centerline of the frame, the device’s arm twists the internal mechanism of the damper cartridge. And the CS.1 resists that input, whether it is coming from the rider through the bar, or irregularities at the front tire through the fork.

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, installation tools

Pademelon doesn’t elaborate on the mechanics or hydraulics that go on inside its damper body to make it work. But suffice it to say, it is the controlled movement of oil inside the sealed hydraulic cartridge through damping circuits, not so dissimilar to what happened inside your fork or shock. Pademelon does say that it does not require complex servicing. So it is likely well-sealed and will offer many years/seasons of steering damping smoothness.

Pademelon CS.1 steering damper – Pricing, options & availability

Pademelon CS.1 adjustable hydraulic steering damper, top view

The Pademelon CS.1 steering damper doesn’t come cheap, but it does promise a smoother ride, improved traction, and reduced fatigue.

The damper unit itself sells for $541 / 492€ in either a regular single crown or a special dual crown version. Plus it’ll cost you another $108 / 98€ for the mounting kit that fits under your upper headset bearing – in different versions to fit pretty much all headset types and sizes. All Pademelon steering dampers are available now, assembled by hand in Tasmania, and shipped globally.

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Forge+Bond 25 MTN Bar Puts Vibration-Damping Plastic FusionFiber in Your Hands https://bikerumor.com/forgebond-25-mtn-bar-puts-vibration-damping-plastic-fusionfiber-in-your-hands/ https://bikerumor.com/forgebond-25-mtn-bar-puts-vibration-damping-plastic-fusionfiber-in-your-hands/#comments Mon, 12 Aug 2024 20:02:26 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=366120 New vibration-damping carbon Forge+Bond 25 MTN handlebar uses thermoplastic FusionFiber composite to improve MTB comfort and control…

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Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar

What makes Forge+Bond’s FusionFiber carbon unique is swapping a nylon polymer in place of traditional resin, and now that same material tech boosts comfort in your mountain bike bar, too. Not just another carbon MTB handlebar, this new Forge+Bond 25 MTN bar increases rider comfort. More vibration damping without sacrificing steering stiffness delivers boosted control and decreased rider fatigue, so you can ride more…

Forge+Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping carbon MTB bar

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, detail
(Photos/Forge+Bond)

By substituting conventional resin with their FusionFiber nylon polymer, Forge+Bond’s carbon mountain bike handlebar claims to be both light and more comfortable. FusionFiber promises up to 3x improved vibration damping vs. traditional carbon construction.

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, compared conventional carbon fiber

And they claim that their FusionFiber handlebar is more durable than conventional carbon, failing at about 1/3 higher forces than most conventional carbon bars.

Also by replacing that traditional thermoset resin that hold the carbon fibers together with a thermoplastic polymer binder, the Forge+Bond FusionFiber solution also means this can be a much more sustainable product. At the end of the bar’s life, or ultimately if you manage to break it, Forge+Bond’s nylon polymer can be heated up to a high temperature, and the carbon itself can be separated from the binder for recycling. That’s one of the biggest benefits of Forge+Bond FusionFiber, just like in their carbon rims.

OK, now why do we want more mountain bike bar flex?

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, riding with improved comfort & control, and reduced fatigue

Can we all agree that with the shift to 35mm diameter mountain bike handlebars, a lot of bars actually became too stiff? I know everyone talks about stiffness being the goal of premium bars. But to me, it’s been like a decade and 1″ clamps since I had a real problem with a mountain bike bar that was too flexible to the extent that it lessened the enjoyment of my ride.

So, I’m totally intrigued by Forge+Bond’s claims of improved rider comfort.

Tech details

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, 800mm wide by 25mm rise

Forge+Bond crafts their new carbon 25 MTN bar from their FusionFiber thermoplastic composite held together with long-chain nylon polymers.

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, detail

Forge+Bond don’t give away too much of their proprietary manufacturing tech. But instead of assembling pre-preg carbon layers (that have to be kept refrigerated), they use an automated process to both precisely cut dry nylon-impregnated carbon sheets and lay them up into a mold where multiple heat cycles bond it all together to create this unique FusionFiber mountain bike bar.

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, scrap fiber for recycling

The 25mm rise bar gets 7.5° of backsweep, 5° of upsweep, and a 35mm diameter x 75mm wide clamping area. The 800mm wide bar weighs a claimed 250g uncut. And you can trim it down as short as 750mm wide if you want to go narrower.

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, bar end

Like their rims, Forge+Bond manufactures the new 25 MTN carbon bar in the USA, in their Gunnison, UT factory. And they rate these bars for pretty much any type of mountain biking – from XC to DH – hence calling it an all-mountain bar.

Forge+Bond 25 MTN bar – Pricing & availability

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, 35mm diameter x 800mm wide x 25mm rise

The Forge+Bond 25 MTN bar with its FusionFiber carbon construction is available now for $265, direct from F+B. Additionally, the bars feature a Return to Fun lifetime warranty. F+B will recycle any component that genuinely does get broken, and get you back on the bike, too.

Forge and Bond 25 MTN vibration-damping FusionFiber carbon mountain bike handlebar, on a trail bike

Also, for a limited time, if you buy any one of their existing carbon wheelsets across all disciplines – road, gravel, or MTB – Forge+Bond will let you buy their new handlebar for half price, just $132.

ForgeAndBond.com

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Crankworx Whistler – Booth Finds, Prototypes and New Products https://bikerumor.com/crankworx-whistler-booth-finds-prototypes-and-new-products/ https://bikerumor.com/crankworx-whistler-booth-finds-prototypes-and-new-products/#comments Fri, 09 Aug 2024 15:00:00 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=365282 Sam Pilgrim has a signature watch? Yes, and the band looks like a tire.

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NOBL carbon prototype dirt jumper rim

Coming down of the high of Crankworx, it’s time to shake out the remaining bits.

While this wasn’t the biggest year for expo booths at Crankworx Whistler, there are always some interesting prototypes and new products to be found around the village. In this article, we’ll check out Sam Pilgrim’s new signature watch from Swatch, Race Face’s recently released Chester pedals and eMTB Turbine wheelset, and peek at some prototype carbon dirt jumper wheels from NOBL.

Swatch Sam Pilgrim signature watch:

Swatch Sam Pilgrim watch, vertical

Swatch held an evening soiree to celebrate the release of their Proteam Collection watches, one of which is mountain bike freestyle superstar Sam Pilgrim’s signature ‘Tread On It’ model. The Swatch Proteam also includes mountain bikers Erik Fedko, Finn Iles, and Casey Brown.

Swatch Sam Pilgrim watch, side

Pilgrim’s signature watch features spokes on the watch face, a tire tread pattern on the rubber strap, and colorful details on the strap loops. The red pusher on the side also features a tooth logo, in honor of Sam’s missing front chomper!

Swatch Proteam Collection watches
Photo c. Swatch

Swatch’s first Proteam Collection also includes signature watches from Coco Ho (surf), Matthias Dandois (flatland BMX), and Andy Anderson (skate). Prices range from $120-205.

Race Face Chester Pedals and Turbine eMTB Wheels:

Race Face Chester pedals, display

Race Face had a display to show off their recently released Chester pedals at Crankworx Whistler. This stand shows the small and large size options, plus their many colors. Check out our recent launch article for complete specs and details.

Race Face Turbine eMTB wheel

Hiding in plain sight at the FOX demo booth was the new Turbine eMTB wheelset. The wheels were on a Rocky Mountain Slayer display bike, set up with beefy parts for bike park shredding. If you’re wondering why they’re not on an eMTB, it’s because some riders may choose to run the eMTB wheels on unassisted bikes simply due to their increased strength. The wheelset was officially announced on July 16th.

Race Face wanted to ensure the Turbine eMTB wheels were strong, but not at the sacrifice of ride quality so they’ve maintained a degree of compliance. The wheels feature front and rear-specific aluminum rims, steel axles, and thicker spokes than Race Face’s Turbine wheelsets. Despite achieving a weight of 2145g per set, Race Face says the Turbine eMTB wheels can handle huge impacts before suffering unrideable levels of damage.

NOBL prototype dirt jumper rims:

NOBL carbon prototype rims on dirt jumper

At NOBL’s booth, I spotted this dirt jumper bike with some deep-dish carbon rims parked ‘prototype’, so I had to ask some questions! Upon request from some of their team riders, NOBL crafted some 26” carbon rims for dirt jumping. At this point, they have no plans to produce the wheels, but I’m told the team riders are pretty happy with them. One of NOBL’s employees mentioned the lightweight rims make it a bit easier to spin 720s!

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Schwalbe Reinvents the Mountain Bike Tire in Unique Radial Casing with Extra Grip for Albert https://bikerumor.com/schwalbe-radial-trail-and-gravity-mountain-bike-tires/ https://bikerumor.com/schwalbe-radial-trail-and-gravity-mountain-bike-tires/#comments Thu, 08 Aug 2024 08:00:00 +0000 https://bikerumor.com/?p=365725 By reorienting the fabric inside, Schwalbe created new Radial mountain bike tires that far outperform everything that came before...

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Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert up-close

Schwalbe is kind of reinventing the wheel with their new Radial mountain bike tires. It’s a simple but incredibly effective shift in tire construction that reshapes how an MTB tire can stick to the ground, even at higher pressure than before. At the same time, there’s an all-new Albert all-rounder that’s the face of this seismic radial shift in tire construction, in addition to another new soft-conditions tread & a version of the classic Magic Mary with the new tech.

Plus, both Trail & Gravity versions of the groundbreaking new Radial casing make it a versatile option for aggressive trail riders to all-mountain riders, and especially to enduro & DH racers. In fact, it’s already been raced to 9 World Cup DH victories including two wild wins by Amaury Pierron this year with massive time gaps.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert Gravity finale testing
(Photo/Schwalbe)

This feels like a pretty big deal, getting extra grip almost for free. We’ve been riding these Alberts for a month and a half now across all types of trails and bikeparks and in all conditions. And it does feel like a game-changer…

Schwalbe Radial Trail & Gravity mountain bike tires

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert more flex at smae pressure
(Photo/Schwalbe)

Probably the biggest driver in mountain bike tire development almost exclusively comes down to what a tire maker can do to get more grip. Ultimately it’s a balance. Lighter construction and faster-rolling rubber dominate in XC. But pretty much every other mountain biker wants more grip. Softer rubber can only go so far, without just feeling slow or simply wearing too fast.

Just over a decade ago, Schwalbe significantly reduced the number of layers in their tires for more flexibility – with the Super Gravity carcass – but that also reduced puncture protection. Then almost immediately, they tried to drastically lower tire pressure – with the security of ProCore inside – but that didn’t prevent snakebites, reduced cornering stability, and was overly complicated. So the German tire engineers kept hunting for a solution that maximized the tire’s small contact patch touching the trail, without sacrificing support or reliability.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert Gravity in Finale
(Photo/Schwalbe)

And they landed on Radial tires, or at least more radial…

What is a Radial tire & why do all bicycle tires use Bias-Ply construction?

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, bias-ply vs. more radial

Put simply, radial tires (like in your car) have a main structure of fibers that go straight up the sidewall from the rim, straight across the tread, and straight down the other sidewall back to the rim. Radially from the center of the wheel/tire combo. They have great flex characteristics and a smooth ride but generally require stiff belts of tough fibers (or steel) to support the tread.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, bias-ply vs. more radial
conventional bias-ply (l) vs. more radial (r)

Bias-Ply tires use a 90° crossing structure of fibers, generally angled 45° from the direction of travel, and alternating back and forth. Fibers are arranged in a bias, or diagonal orientation. This makes it easy to create a lightweight and round profile tire with low rolling resistance, and predictable sidewall & overall support.

Now Schwalbe has created something in between.

Schwalbe’s almost Radial mountain bike tires

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert tire swap
(All other photos/Cory Benson)

So radial tires are nothing new (Wikipedia tells me they were first patented in 1914), but they never really made their way to bicycles. And Schwalbe’s new Radial mountain bike tires aren’t entirely radial… just more radial. They settled on a smaller angle – somewhere between 10-20° – that lets Schwalbe get radial benefits without the need for extra belt support.

Schwalbe says much of the performance improvement comes from the ~25% shorter support fibers in the more radial construction vs. the conventional bias-ply tire. And since the fibers travel straighter across the tire casing, the distance that shorter, slightly angled fiber covers in the direction of the tire’s movement is reduced by almost 75%. That effectively means that if the tire hit a perfectly sharp edge that deformed the tire from bead-to-bead, in a conventional tire it could impact 100 fibers but in the new Schwalbe Radial tire it would hit only 25.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert more local deformation
(Graphics bySchwalbe)

Less tension in the thread, fewer intersections between threads, shorter threads, less threads engaged at any specific impact. All helping the tire be more flexible under the tread.

What are the real benefits?

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert increased contact patch

So, all that means more flexibility and more local deflection of the tire at the point of contact with an obstacle. That lets the treadblocks roll around an object to get more grip, but in a smaller area so you don’t sacrifice stability.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, improved rebound damping

It also helps slow tire rebound, damping pressure spikes in the tire for a smoother ride and improved “control, grip, and comfort off-road”.

And the somewhat surprising benefit of a more local deflection is you get a larger contact patch at the same pressures. Schwalbe says it’s a 30% increase in the contact area, without lowering tire pressure. The huge benefit here is that you can actually increase tire pressure by +7psi/0.5bar in the Radial tire and still have a 10% larger contact patch than the conventional bias-ply tire.

That’s huge actually. So, more support and flat resistance AND more grip. Schwalbe even says you can run a less aggressive tread and get the same grip, with improved rolling resistance. And the Radial tires come in at the exact same weight as the old Super Gravity casing.

And the downsides?

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert back-to--back tests

More tire flex does mean a bit of increased rolling resistance, so you won’t see Schwalbe Radial tires blowing up the XC, gravel, or road scene right away. (But it seems this new Albert Radial has more grip and lower rolling resistance vs. the conventional Magic Mary, so there does seem like some possibilities for mixing up tread patterns to get back that extra drag.)

The other negative is slightly reduced resistance to snake bites. But Schwalbe says they can use the same sidewall reinforcing construction as their previous generation of mountain bike tires without negatively affecting the radial performance, so there’s plenty of room to dial protection in to suit each type of riding.

Now back to the new Albert tread, itself

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert side

The new Schwalbe Radial construction will be available in three families – Albert, Magic Mary & Shredda – all intended for longer travel all-mountain to gravity bikes and eMTBs.

The all-new Albert is the most well-rounded of the three, pairing chunky medium-height tread blocks with a relatively tightly-spaced layout for all-around versatility.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert tread
(Photo/Schwalbe)

It has a round shape and smooth transition from knob to knob, leveraging the Radial flex so more rubber on the trail means more traction.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert in the wet

It’s much more aggressive than a Nobby Nic or Wicked Will trail tire. But at the same time easier to manage than the race-focused Tacky Chan or the more open loose conditions Magic Mary.

Albert First Impressions

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert Trail in the dry

This isn’t meant to be a conditions-specific racing tire – and does favor hard trail surfaces over soft loam. Albert is the solid and predictable tire you put on your enduro bike at the start of the season and just ride it no matter how the weather or trail conditions change.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert Trail on natural enduro

We’ve been doing that for the past couple of months, riding everything from Finale to Leogang to 4 Czech bikeparks and a number of natural trails.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert Trail on wet rocks

From wet rocks & roots, slick mud, to loose rocks to smooth hardpack and deep dusty corners, and the Alberts have been incredibly predictable – often offering grip when we had low expectations.

And the new Shredda tread, too

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Shredda soft conditions tire

We haven’t had a chance to try the taller, more open, wet conditions Shredda. But it’s kinda the absolute opposite to Albert.

This is a very conditions-specific enduro and DH race tire. It’s big and open with tall spikes that overhang the sidewall to claw for grip, inspired by enduro motocross motorcycle tires. You get taller open spikes on the front-specific Shredda and more of a paddle layout on the rear-specific tire. Like the Albert though, the Shredda tread blocks are said to be optimized for the more locally-flexible Radial tire construction, so they fold over an obstacle for improved grip.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Shredda tread
all-new Shredda rear (l) & front (r)

This is a tire for wet and muddy riding, or for flying down deep loamy trails. And it features linked central knobs for better support, especially on powerful, big-travel ebikes.

Schwalbe Radial MTB tires – Models, sizing, pricing & availability

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert Gravity on a 29er enduro bike

The general idea with this all-new Schwalbe Radial mountain bike tire lineup is to offer a wide range for anyone riding long travel bikes (150+mm) across a range of conditions. That means aggressive trail, all-mountain, enduro, freeride & DH, plus ebike variations of any of those types of riding, too. So, that also means there are two casing levels – Trail with medium sidewall protection and Gravity with heavy-duty sidewall protection.

The tire options include the new Albert & classic Magic Mary which can be run on either front or rear, plus the new Shredda which is front- or rear-specific.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert Trail on a mullet all-mountain bike

All of the tires come in 29″ and 27.5″ options (Shredda Front is 29er only) and in one width per tire. They are 2.5-2.6” wide because the taller, larger tire volume diameter tire benefits more from the new Radial construction. Addix rubber compounds are Soft or Super Soft for the Alberts, or Super Soft only for the more aggro treads.

Schwalbe Radial Trail Gravity mountain bike tires, Albert Gravity on an eMTB

Schwalbe’s pricing is 74€ per tire for the Radial Trail tires, or 80€ for the Radial Gravity tires, with all available through retailers now. Even though it is as simple as how the fabric is oriented inside the tire when it is made, this feels like a real seismic shift in mountain bike tire construction. Keep your eyes peeled for our more detailed review of the Albert Trail & Gravity Radial tires, coming soon.

Schwalbe.com

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