Internal routing is quieter, cleaner, more aerodynamic, and helps free up space in the cockpit for computers, bar bags, lights, and bells.

Yeah it creates expensive service procedures, but those expensive procedures help your LBS stay in business.

If you isolate internal routing to pro-level bikes, you’ll have customers demanding it for their own bikes. Consumers always copy the pros. So you might as well make it available for consumer use in the first place.

You’re right about that last part, which is why I think it’s silly that more companies don’t make internal routing components. That was the whole point of my comment.

“Brings more business to local bike shops”…by increasing the cost to the customer for bike service. Sweet.

“internal routing looks clean”…..and increases the need for service because of crap sealing and the resulting water, mud, dirt, etc ingress. Internal routing has made the “ring of death” on CF steerers a much more frequent problem now. Just ask Raoul Luescher. As for “looking clean”, so what? I guess today’s bike design ethic emerged from Ricardo Montalban’s design philosophy: “It’s better to look good than to work good.”

While the right-to-repair “movement” seems to be progressing in some industries, it’s going backward for cycling as bike manufacturers and “small bike companies” make it more difficult for customers to repair their stuff.

Fully integrated cables and hoses also come with more proprietary parts, less flexibility in terms of changing the bike fit (injuries happen), and less choice when it comes to choosing components

Thanks for clarifying.

What’s your partnership with Ohlins entail?

Gray Components sold the same stem on Amazon for years. I have a 50mm, $42 USD delivered. T20 have held up so far. Now nly available on the Gray site for near triple.

Delivered to US address ,Wren costs a lot more than a Mt. Zoom which has regular bolts instead of T20. There are a few Wrens on fleabay, but still more than MT.

Kalloy Uno Lightweight 60mm has been reliable and super light on my xc bike (74kg keyboardist here).

They replied to my inquiry seeking a US dealer for their Liteforce stem. Told me none (as of yesterday). Shipping from Germany for a 50mm Liteforce is shockingly high.